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Re: Alternative time clock scheme
| Guy Macon | 26 Mar 2008 01:58 |
>> There is also Kasparov delay, which doesn't add time, but >> doesn't count time for X seconds. Phil Innes > >Why would you attribute that method to Kasparov? For the same reason he calls Turing machines "Turing engines"?
The Kasparov delay does exist, but has only been used once, on the 26th move of game 2 of the 1987 Karpov vs. Kasparov title match. It never really caught on, and even Kasparov himself avoided it after that one experiment.
>It's the USCF standard, and has been so since the early 90s. >There are essentially three "delay" methods. The USCF ("time delay") [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >time. The "Fischer" method is the same as Bronstein, except that your >time can accumulate without limit. Please read the following URLs: http://www.dgtprojects.com/clock_timingmethods.htm#bronstein http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_clock#Delay_clocks
If you disagree with them please provide your sources.
>If you want to argue about the names, go ahead (though I >don't plan to listen) You should care whether Bronstein gets credit for what Bronstein invented and whether Fischer gets credit for what Fischer invented.
(And I should have checked before my original post rather than going by memory...)
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| jkh001@aim.com | 25 Mar 2008 23:26 |
> >>> For comparison, let's start with a 40/120, D/60 time control with a > >>> USCF-Style delay of 5 seconds. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > or reset multiple times. Got the bird into orbit at the end, > > though! Why would you attribute that method to Kasparov? It's the USCF standard, and has been so since the early 90s.
There are essentially three "delay" methods. The USCF ("time delay") doesn't start the clock for x seconds after the button has been pushed. The "Bronstein" method starts counting down immediately, but adds x seconds when you stop your clock, up to a max of the time you had when you clock started. The effect is _almost_ identical to the first, though there is a tiny difference if you are very short of time. The "Fischer" method is the same as Bronstein, except that your time can accumulate without limit. If you want to argue about the names, go ahead (though I don't plan to listen), but these are the options available if you want to design a new time control.
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| Chess One | 25 Mar 2008 23:05 |
>>> For comparison, let's start with a 40/120, D/60 time control with a >>> USCF-Style delay of 5 seconds. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > the three major methods (Fischer, Bronstein, FIDE) and somehow > managed to insert the term "USCF" in there. Sorry about that. 4. There is also Kasparov delay, which doesn't add time, but doesn't count time for X seconds. Phil Innes
> http://www.dgtprojects.com/clock_timingmethods.htm#bronstein > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > or reset multiple times. Got the bird into orbit at the end, > though! |
| Guy Macon | 25 Mar 2008 09:56 |
>> For comparison, let's start with a 40/120, D/60 time control with a >> USCF-Style delay of 5 seconds. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Your `USCF-style delay' is usually credited to David Bronstein, rather >than the USCF. You are correct. I apologize; in my haste I mentally confused the three major methods (Fischer, Bronstein, FIDE) and somehow managed to insert the term "USCF" in there. Sorry about that.
http://www.dgtprojects.com/clock_timingmethods.htm#bronstein
>> Now replace the 40/120, D/60 with SD/10 or SD/20, but with the >> Fischer delay set to 3 minutes. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >At work, I don't have time for six-hour games of chess! I once did nothing but play chess for over a week while sitting in the bunker next to a launchpad as the countdown got stopped or reset multiple times. Got the bird into orbit at the end, though!
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| David Richerby | 25 Mar 2008 08:44 |
> For comparison, let's start with a 40/120, D/60 time control with a > USCF-Style delay of 5 seconds. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > difference being that with a Fischer delay you can gain time by > moving quickly). Your `USCF-style delay' is usually credited to David Bronstein, rather than the USCF.
> Now replace the 40/120, D/60 with SD/10 or SD/20, but with the > Fischer delay set to 3 minutes. Are people not already doing this? Starting with only twenty minutes on the clock seems a bit short for serious games, even with a three-minute increment, but the basic idea is very sound.
> This, of course, wouldn't make matches end by the next round, but > when playing a club game or a game at work, it would avoid the > rather artificial "race until the time control changes then relax" > effect. At work, I don't have time for six-hour games of chess!
Dave.
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| Guy Macon | 25 Mar 2008 02:13 |
I am not saying this is a good idea as it stands, but rather I am throwing it out there as a thought experiment to see if someone comes up with a better variation.
For comparison, let's start with a 40/120, D/60 time control with a USCF-Style delay of 5 seconds.
Replace the USCF-style the delay with a Fischer increment (meaning 5 seconds are added to your clock when you hit the button rather than the clock waiting 5 seconds before starting to count down -- the difference being that with a Fischer delay you can gain time by moving quickly).
Now replace the 40/120, D/60 with SD/10 or SD/20, but with the Fischer delay set to 3 minutes.
This, of course, wouldn't make matches end by the next round, but when playing a club game or a game at work, it would avoid the rather artificial "race until the time control changes then relax" effect.
 Signature Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com/>
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