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Chess Forum / General Topics / September 2009Obama to meet Kasparov in Moscow
REPORT FROM CHESSBASE July 7,.2009 – US President Barack Obama is meeting with several prominent members of the Russian opposition, including United Civil Front leader (and former chess world champion) Garry Kasparov. The meeting is set to take place on July 7th at the Ritz Carlton hotel. "The previous American administration didn’t dare to do this,” said Kasparov in a radio interview. Report in 'The Other Russia'. Boris Nemtsov, a chair of the Solidarity opposition movement, has also been invited to the meeting, as were other prominent figures have also been invited, including Pravoe Delo (Right Cause) co-chair Leonid Gozman, Communist Party leader Gennady Zyuganov, attorney Yelena Lukyanova, and Federation Council chairman Sergey Mironov. Obama will travel to Moscow on July 6th for meetings with the Kremlin as well as business and civil society leaders. A meeting with Russia’s leading human rights advocates has been scheduled at the Metropol hotel, the location of a consultation between representatives from NGOs in the US and Russia. Earlier, Boris Nemtsov argued that it was essential for Obama to meet with opposition forces in Russia. “If the White House agrees to Putin’s suggestion to speak only with pro-Putin organizations… this will mean that Putin has won, but not only that: Putin will become be assured that Obama is weak,” he said. Nemtsov, who spoke at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York, said the American administration should lay their stakes on President Dmitri Medvedev, and not Prime Minister Putin. “I believe that if Medvedev finally takes power into his own hands, we will have a chance to return to a political thaw, to democratization,” he went on. “We are being given the chance to return to rule of law and the Russian Constitution. Clearly, much depends on the opposition, on its energy… Which is why we alone are responsible for our future, and not Obama.” http://tinyurl.com/lbk9yw Gerry K better be careful , and accident resulting in his death could happen.... I do not trust Putin or his hand picked puppet Mevideve.. On Jul 4, 11:06 am, "parrthe...@cs.com" <parrthe...@cs.com> wrote: > REPORT FROM CHESSBASE > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > http://tinyurl.com/lbk9yw This meeting with Barack Obama's double and Karspov is a joke. It isn't really Barack Obama. Obama doesn't fly anywhere to meet with chessplayers. Obama's double (his NIGGER) will meet for a show. Then, Gary gets arrested. The Russians understand one thing: A NUCLEAR WEAPON on CHESS CITY. Marcus Roberts Ambassador of St Kitts and Nevis > On Jul 4, 11:06 am, "parrthe...@cs.com" <parrthe...@cs.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Nobody is responding to this in my view on the planet earth. This is clearly NSA! Marcus Roberts > > The Russians understand one thing: A NUCLEAR WEAPON on CHESS CITY. > > > Marcus Roberts > > Ambassador of St Kitts and Nevis > Nobody is responding to this in my view on the planet earth. This is > clearly NSA! > > Marcus Roberts Perhaps you only /think/ you are on the planet Earth... . -- help bot On Jul 4, 12:06 pm, "parrthe...@cs.com" <parrthe...@cs.com> wrote: > REPORT FROM CHESSBASE > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > http://tinyurl.com/lbk9yw Hear, hear. Let's hope something positive comes from this. On Jul 5, 7:19 pm, Taylor Kingston <taylor.kings...@comcast.net> wrote: > > “I believe that if Medvedev finally takes power into his own hands, > > we will have a chance to return to a political thaw, to > > democratization,” he went on. “We are being given the chance to return > > to rule of law and the Russian Constitution. Clearly, much depends on > > the opposition, on its energy… Which is why we alone are responsible > > for our future, and not Obama.” "Hear, hear. Let's hope something positive comes from this" - TK Bad enough that you butcher German and Spanish. Must you do the same to American? > "Hear, hear. Let's hope something positive comes from this." - TK > > Bad enough that you butcher German and Spanish. Must you do the same > to American? Sorry, troll, but I don't understand your point. What error do you claim to see in the above? On Jul 6, 3:27 pm, Taylor Kingston <taylor.kings...@comcast.net> wrote: > > "Hear, hear. Let's hope something positive comes from this." - TK > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Sorry, troll, but I don't understand your point. What error do you > claim to see in the above? You lack several things in Spanish, including knowing of la duende, literally or in life. That's bad. Never mind denying there is such a thing as an Andean patois of Spanish. You remind me of a guy said he used to live in Germany and contradicted my Swabisch for it's spelling [lol] You might as well be a fat bloke on a bike, and ask what's funny about that. To business: it is a huge success for Kasparov to meet Obama. I think they might even like each other, both being outsiders to a politik that is unlikeable to them. Both want to play by some up-front rules, transparently as may be, and with a fair level of commitement betwixt what they say and what they do. That is what is prospect here. Phil Innes > On Jul 6, 3:27 pm, Taylor Kingston <taylor.kings...@comcast.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You lack several things in Spanish, including knowing of la duende, > literally or in life. Ah, so Phil is our "Joe Schmoe" aka "None"? At least he presumes to answer for him. BTW, Phil, the question before the house has nothing to do with Spanish, a subject on which you have already made a terrible fool of yourself. Just be quiet and quit while you're behind. On Jul 6, 6:01 pm, Taylor Kingston <taylor.kings...@comcast.net> wrote: > > On Jul 6, 3:27 pm, Taylor Kingston <taylor.kings...@comcast.net> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > terrible fool of yourself. Just be quiet and quit while you're > behind. Hear, hear! Do you think he will give him pawn and move, a knight or a rook? > Do you think he will give him pawn and move, a knight or a rook? //////////////////////////// kasparov probably begged obama's people for the meeting. obama probably previously had no idea who he was . > > Do you think he will give him pawn and move, a knight or a rook? > > //////////////////////////// > > kasparov probably begged obama's people for the meeting. obama probably > previously had no idea who he was . probably? what an unintelligent comment! Barack and Michelle are both good chess players. The intelligence services are tolerable good about known oppositions to Russian politicisme probably? he certainly knows who kasparov is as a player in chess and in politics phil innes > > "samsloan" <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > he certainly knows who kasparov is as a player in chess and in > politics Here I must agree with Phil Innes. I am sure Obama knew about Kasparov well before becoming President. No serious, conscientious presidential candidate would fail to inform himself about major political figures in so important a country as Russia. I could see, say, Sarah Palin not knowing Kasparov from Krispy Kreme, but an Obama or a McCain? Not likely. It should also be mentioned that Kasparov has been well known in the USA in a non-chess, politically oriented capacity for several years, through his Wall Street Journal articles if nothing else. On Jul 7, 3:42 pm, Taylor Kingston <taylor.kings...@comcast.net> wrote: > > he [Barack Obama] certainly knows who kasparov > is as a player in chess and in politics > > Here I must agree with Phil Innes. A high risk proposition. > I am sure Obama knew about > Kasparov well before becoming President. No serious, conscientious > presidential candidate would fail to inform himself about major > political figures in so important a country as Russia. I could see, > say, Sarah Palin not knowing Kasparov from Krispy Kreme, but an Obama > or a McCain? Not likely. Wow, Phil and Taylor speculating in a unison. > It should also be mentioned that Kasparov > has been well known in the USA in a non-chess, > politically oriented capacity for several years, > through his Wall Street Journal articles if nothing else. :-) Wlod On Jul 8, 4:55 am, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)" <sennaj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > he [Barack Obama] certainly knows who kasparov > > > is as a player in chess and in politics > > Here I must agree with Phil Innes. > A high risk proposition. > Wow, Phil and Taylor speculating in a unison. > > It should also be mentioned that Kasparov > > has been well known in the USA in a non-chess, > > politically oriented capacity for several years, > > through his Wall Street Journal articles if nothing else. A lot of people wish /to be perceived as/ regular readers of The Wall Street Journal, The Economist and so forth, but in reality few can stand the pain of watching their net worth rapidly shrink, right before their very eyes. (On the other hand, it has been reported that Warren Buffet lost around ten billion dollars in the crash, so we may consider ouselves to have done relatively better, at least in absolute terms.) Here's something Mr. Wlod may not be aware of: Mr. Kasparov has not only appeared on the cover of popular (i.e. lowbrow) magazines in the USA; he has also appeared in television commercials giving a simultaneous exhibition, and I believe his cheating controversy likely even made it on the air as well. Much to-do was made of his defeat by IBM's Deeper Blue, as well as his previous wins over D.B. and D.T. In view of the /mass media saturation/ with all things Gary Kasparov, it is fairly safe to agree with the nutters here, for President Obama would be a strange bird indeed if he did not know at least something about Mr. Kasparov. Here in the USA, chess skill is used as a sort of metaphor for intel- lectual prowess-- in spite of the almost overwhelm- ing evidence to the contrary here in rgc. As a result, famous chessplayers are often known -- in very superficial terms -- by the general public. Chess aside, the media here in the USA often obsesses over their constructed "evil villains" such as Mr. Putin and Mr. Chavez, along with North Korea and China. As a result, even if GK were of no importance in politics, his antics might very well make the news because, well, because he is /against/ one of the Emperor's several Dark Lords-- Darth Vader, Darth Putin, Darth Maul, Darth Chavez, etc. Characters like Mr. Kasparov are used to illumi- nate the character of the plot's major villains; for instance, in Star Wars, when the Emperor had Darth Vader kill Count or Duke whatshisface, that showed that he did not even subscribe to the "honor among theives" style pact-- that he would just as quickly murder his own underlings as he would any outsiders... and feel nothing (but the ice which filled his veins). But don't worry-- you still have Dr. IMnes the 2450's claim regarding both of the Obamas being "good" chess players to fall back on. One wonders if Dr. IMnes' bar -- as a nearly-an-IM -- is raised or lowered here? Just how good is good? And does it depend on what the definition of "is" is? I would be surprised if Mrs. Obama were even interested in the game. At our local club, there has been /just one/ adult female competitor, and this seems to be typical a- round here and in the surrounding areas. In fact, she's not even from around here... . -- help bot so... how come many elite chess players start to develop dreams of grandeur? > so... > > how come many elite chess players start to develop dreams of grandeur? Offhand, relevant examples don't come to mind. Perhaps you could define what you mean by "many" and "grandeur," and give us names of those you had in mind? On Jul 11, 2:15 am, "captain!" <whomsoe...@telus.net> wrote: > so... > > how come many elite chess players start to develop dreams of grandeur? Offhand, relevant examples don't come to mind. Perhaps you could define what you mean by "many" and "grandeur," and give us names of those you had in mind? ///////////////////// "many" : Pronunciation: \'me-ne\ Function: adjective Inflected Form(s): more \'mo?r\ ; most \'most\ Etymology: Middle English, from Old English manig; akin to Old High German manag many, Old Church Slavic munogu much Date: before 12th century 1 : consisting of or amounting to a large but indefinite number <worked for many years> 2 : being one of a large but indefinite number <many a man> <many another student> - as many : the same in number <saw three plays in as many days> ----------------------------------------------- "grandeur": Pronunciation: \'gran-j?r, -?ju?r, -?d(y)u?r, -d(y)?r\ Function: noun Etymology: French, from Old French, from grand Date: 1600 1 : the quality or state of being grand : magnificence <the glory that was Greece and the grandeur that was Rome - E. A. Poe> 2 : an instance or example of grandeur - would you like a chess lesson too? :) > On Jul 11, 2:15 am, "captain!" <whomsoe...@telus.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > - would you like a chess lesson too? What I would like, as was obvious from my previous post, is (1) the specific names of the "many elite chess players" who you claim have "develop[ed] dreams of grandeur," and (2) factual evidence that supports such a claim. Based on what I've learned of chess history, I don't think such a claim is justified. On Jul 11, 5:56 pm, "captain!" <whomsoe...@telus.net> wrote: > "Taylor Kingston" <taylor.kings...@comcast.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > - would you like a chess lesson too? >What I would like, as was obvious from my previous post, is (1) the specific names of the "many elite chess players" who you claim have "develop[ed] dreams of grandeur," and (2) factual evidence that supports such a claim. Based on what I've learned of chess history, I don't think such a claim is justified. i was also asked to provide an explanation of what i meant by "many" and "grandeur". since my definition is the same as webster's, i cut and pasted. now, as for these names... what would you do with these names? would you contact them and tell them that the captain is calling them out? would you try to argue that i was wrong about these "great" people? . > - would you like a chess lesson too? > > :) Insolent dikhead... > . >> - would you like a chess lesson too? >> >> :) > > Insolent dikhead... oh! well i never... (...and with your looks "madam", you never will...) > "many" : > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > \'gran-j?r, -?ju?r, -?d(y)u?r, -d(y)?r\ > [...] ************ "idiot" Pronounciation: [kap'tan!] ************* Linguist Wlod On Jul 11, 2:56 pm, "captain!" <whomsoe...@telus.net> wrote: > "many" : > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > \'gran-j?r, -?ju?r, -?d(y)u?r, -d(y)?r\ > [...] ************ "idiot" Pronounciation: [kap'tan!] ************* Linguist Wlod ///////////////////// heh heh don't quit yer' day job kurwa :) to everyone in the group: CHECKMATE On Jul 7, 3:42 pm, Taylor Kingston <taylor.kings...@comcast.net> wrote: > > he [Barack Obama] certainly knows who kasparov > is as a player in chess and in politics > > Here I must agree with Phil Innes. A high risk proposition. > I am sure Obama knew about > Kasparov well before becoming President. No serious, conscientious > presidential candidate would fail to inform himself about major > political figures in so important a country as Russia. I could see, > say, Sarah Palin not knowing Kasparov from Krispy Kreme, but an Obama > or a McCain? Not likely. Wow, Phil and Taylor speculating in a unison. > It should also be mentioned that Kasparov > has been well known in the USA in a non-chess, > politically oriented capacity for several years, > through his Wall Street Journal articles if nothing else. :-) Wlod /////////////// wackos abound in the chess NG. slammin' sammy sloan has been crossposting to SCR for years now. i have challenged him to matches in the past, but he always declines. On Jul 7, 5:58 pm, ChessFire <onech...@comcast.net> wrote: > On Jul 7, 5:54 pm, "captain!" <whomsoe...@telus.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > he certainly knows who kasparov is as a player in chess and in > politics Here I must agree with Phil Innes. I am sure Obama knew about Kasparov well before becoming President. No serious, conscientious presidential candidate would fail to inform himself about major political figures in so important a country as Russia. I could see, say, Sarah Palin not knowing Kasparov from Krispy Kreme, but an Obama or a McCain? Not likely. It should also be mentioned that Kasparov has been well known in the USA in a non-chess, politically oriented capacity for several years, through his Wall Street Journal articles if nothing else. //////////// kasparov may be a great player of the game of chess, but politically he has almost no power in today's russia. innes seems to think that the obamas and kasparov are old buddies simply because they all know how to play chess. > On Jul 7, 5:58 pm, ChessFire <onech...@comcast.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Here I must agree with Phil Innes. I am sure Obama knew about > Kasparov well before becoming President. The president and the first lady are chess players. > No serious, conscientious > presidential candidate would fail to inform himself about major > political figures in so important a country as Russia. From that perspective too > I could see, > say, Sarah Palin not knowing Kasparov from Krispy Kreme, but an Obama > or a McCain? Not likely. > It should also be mentioned that Kasparov has been well known in the > USA in a non-chess, politically oriented capacity for several years, > through his Wall Street Journal articles if nothing else. Ay - hard to miss him. I make these comments neither pro nor con Kasparov, but in terms of knowing about him. Only such a moose as Palin might not have encountered actual Russians she could see from Alaska's most western extent - hopefully she didn't think this was Africa? > //////////// > > kasparov may be a great player of the game of chess, but politically he has > almost no power in today's russia. > innes seems to think that the obamas and kasparov are old buddies simply > because they all know how to play chess. I did not say that, so cannot rightly reply to the comment of what I seemed to think. Any USA president will have very strong intelligence on who he meets - and will operate seems to me despite any personal sympathy for a game in the way that a president must do. Chess may have been an entre, but that is merely to enter a conversation from a personalized perspective of shared interest and enthusiasm? In this instance I think we got much harder politics - and indeed, Kasparov said it well , he expected nothing and got more, and he received less than he would have wanted. What I 'seem to think' is something projected onto me by someone who may or may not seem to think anything at all in their own name and experience... they do not explicate the subject. Neither Obama nor Kasparov can afford that level of exchange. Phil Innes > What I 'seem to think' is something projected onto me by someone who > may or may not seem to think anything at all in their own name and > experience... they do not explicate the subject. Flipping and flopping about still, eh? The fish out of water routine has been done to death-- why not invent some new style of comedy with which to entertain rgc readers? I just came from some other thread in which this very same nitwit, "Chessfire", had presented some *anonymous* commentary as backing a "defense" of Susan Polgar and Paul Truong (unsurprisingly, the "defense" came in the form of attacking one of their many critics). The fact that the nitwit was purportedly quoting "someone with no name" must have somehow escaped his notice; either that, or else the nitwit is even "more dumber-er" than I had ever imagined theoretically possible... . -- Acton Chancer, III On Jul 11, 2:08 am, "captain!" >What I 'seem to think' is something projected onto me by someone who may or may not seem to think anything at all in their own name and experience... they do not explicate the subject. extricate that oversized ivory bishop from your sphincter and then explicate the corn and peanuts mixed with feces that encapsulate it. . > extricate that oversized ivory bishop from your sphincter and then explicate > the corn and peanuts mixed with feces that encapsulate it. Euwe?? >> extricate that oversized ivory bishop from your sphincter and then explicate >> the corn and peanuts mixed with feces that encapsulate it. >Euwe?? Oye Vey > On Jul 11, 2:08 am, "captain!" > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > extricate that oversized ivory bishop from your sphincter and then explicate > the corn and peanuts mixed with feces that encapsulate it. This is some reference I presume is to your own acquaintance and of your normal set? I simply wrote that Obama as a goodish chess player would have been aware of Kasparov as a chess player.\ I do not thank Taylor Kingston for his usual interpretation of what I said, to the effect that this was mutual. As politician it is mutual; that is all. What you all now say beyond this is noise and completely about you and you interception of world events. Phil Innes . > > extricate that oversized ivory bishop from your sphincter and then explicate > > the corn and peanuts mixed with feces that encapsulate it. > > This is some reference I presume is to your own acquaintance and of > your normal set? Sufferin' big-bag-of-elastic-bands Phil ! This capt'n <nobody> has just had a go @ all rgc's big cheeses, anchors & dazzlin' personalities & all you can do is pussy-foot around with lingo he's sure not to unnerstand ? Clearly, he's discovered the condom-vending machine @ his local gay-bar & has gone home to practice on Mum & the dog (rabies - no!) "checkmate" - Ha ! ... Vot a VANKER ! ... ====================== Ps... I've considered RM's cc-tourney but don't think I'm much of a 'teamster' (pls. don't hold this against me in the future) besides, I'm composing a 'special' [how I had my young jobby-bum spanked by a Scottish cc-master in the wilds of Ayrshire] &... err, consider this a somewhat more pressing commitment... m. > I simply wrote that Obama as a goodish chess player would have been > aware of Kasparov as a chess player.\ [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Phil Innes > . >> > extricate that oversized ivory bishop from your sphincter and then [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > ====================== vot tak... nu... ladno. thanks to slammin' sammy sloan for teaching me long ago just how much fun it can be bantering with chessies. rabies - no! at least sam has written a book or two proclaiming his greatness. besides a big bag of elastic bands, what do you have to offer the mortals? > > "ChessFire" <onech...@comcast.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Phil Innes I have a partially written article on US presidents and chess. What evidence do you have that Obama is a "goodish chess player?" Jerry Spinrad > > > "ChessFire" <onech...@comcast.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Jer, I found this posted on yahoo answers by K.W.Regan: " In brief, Barack Obama evidently learned chess as a child, and lists it, soccer, and badminton as games whose values weren't shared by his schoolmates. (I am a FIDE International Master, and was U.S. Junior Chess Champion [equal-1st] in 1977.)" Another quote about the Obama's and chess: http://bigthink.com/knula90hotmailcom/poker-as-the-ultimate-analogy-for-the-pres idency-being-replaced-by-chess ALso from the book "Dreams from My Father": Obama mentioned chess in his book Dreams from My Father and talked about learning chess from his grandfather and stepfather. So does his wife, Michelle. -------------------- Now how well they play is a rather subjective criteria. Suffice it to say they play well enough and often enough to list it as a favorite pass time and something they gain value from playing. Arnold Schwartzneger said he plays chess more since he slowed down on physical exercise. Reading books puts him to sleep but playing chess keeps his mind sharp. > > > > "ChessFire" <onech...@comcast.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Thanks! I have pretty good evidence that most of the 19th century presidents played, some relatively well, but I have much less on recent presidents. Carter seemed to take up chess seriously, but only for a very short time. Jerry Spinrad > > > > "ChessFire" <onech...@comcast.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > about learning chess from his grandfather and stepfather. So does > his wife, Michelle. Incidentally, if someone does not try to arrange an event where an Obama praises chess playing, it would seem to be a real missed opportunity. Jerry Spinrad > -------------------- > Now how well they play is a rather subjective criteria. Suffice it to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > "ChessFire" <onech...@comcast.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I agree. That is something the National Organization should be working on I think. Obama did send out a letter praising chess when he was an Illinois state senator. Pres Carter carved a chess set out of soap while he was in the service. I think it is at his museum. > > > On Aug 19, 4:53 pm, ChessFire <onech...@comcast.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I agree. That is something the National Organization should be working on I think. Obama did send out a letter praising chess when he was an Illinois state senator. Pres Carter carved a chess set out of soap while he was in the service. I think it is at his museum. /////////////////////////// carter would probably own arnie in a chess match. > Obama did send out a letter praising chess > when he was an Illinois state senator. > > Pres Carter carved a chess set out of soap while > he was in the service. I think it is at his museum. As we see, presidential candidates should be asked if they like chess. When they do, let them be USCF presidents. Wlod On Aug 19, 1:21 am, "captain!" <whomsoe...@telus.net> wrote: > "ChessFire" <onech...@comcast.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > explicate > the corn and peanuts mixed with feces that encapsulate it. What you all now say beyond this is noise and completely about you and you interception of world events. Phil Innes //////////////////// that actually sums it up quite nicely. but don't pretend that you're not guilty of the same mindset. > > "samsloan" <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > phil innes How do you know that the President and his wife are "good chess players"? How do you know that he knew about Kasparov before becoming President? If you haven't noticed, the President consistently makes mistakes about simple facts which the kool aid drinkers readilly accept. WHAT HAPPENED AT THE MEETING? Does anyone know yet? "Presidential hopeful Barack Obama also credits chess as a boon for poor blacks. He told The Chicago Sun (July 2007): “And it’s working. Parents in Harlem are actually reading more to their children who are staying in school and passing statewide tests at higher rates than other children in New York City. These kids are going to college in a place where it was once unheard of, and some even placed third at a national chess championship.” -- THIS CRAZY WORLD OF CHESS (page 196) by GM Larry Evans > > > "samsloan" <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > If you haven't noticed, the President consistently makes mistakes > about simple facts which the kool aid drinkers readilly accept. AP REPORT Obama also joined two so-called parallel summits Tuesday afternoon, one of business leaders, the other of civil society organizations. Later he met privately with political opposition figures who are under near constant pressure in Russia's atmosphere of contracting democratic protections and press freedom. Among the group was former world chess champion Garry Kasparov, who said Obama appeared to have held his own in his talks with Russia's leaders. ``This government is not ready for a dialogue. This government has the mentality of street hoodlums. I think that after looking into Obama's eyes Putin understood that this guy won't stand any jokes.'' Outside the luxury hotel where Obama met with opposition leaders, a young man held up a sign that said: ``Everything changes. The KGB remains the same.'' The sign was ripped from his hands by police and he slipped away. Putin is a former KGB officer, as are many of the officials serving in his government. > WHAT HAPPENED AT THE MEETING? > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > If you haven't noticed, the President consistently makes mistakes > > about simple facts which the kool aid drinkers readilly accept. > > "samsloan" <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > phil innes Well, Phil. Please tell us how do you know that President Obama is a 'good' chess player? This couldn't be another case of hero worship, could it? >Barack and Michelle are both good chess players. They are? Any references/links? >he certainly knows who kasparov is as a player in chess and in >politics He was certainly *told* who Kasparov is - so yes, he certainly knows :-) On Jul 7, 5:54 pm, "captain!" <whomsoe...@telus.net> wrote: > "samsloan" <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > kasparov probably begged obama's people for the meeting. obama probably > previously had no idea who he was . probably? what an unintelligent comment! Barack and Michelle are both good chess players. The intelligence services are tolerable good about known oppositions to Russian politicisme probably? he certainly knows who kasparov is as a player in chess and in politics phil innes ////////////////////// -nope. On Jul 4, 12:06 pm, "parrthe...@cs.com" <parrthe...@cs.com> wrote: > REPORT FROM CHESSBASE > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > "The previous American administration didn’t dare to do this,” said > Kasparov in a radio interview. Report in 'The Other Russia'. Here's a further report from ChessBase: http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5562 On Jul 4, 9:06 am, "parrthe...@cs.com" <parrthe...@cs.com> wrote: > REPORT FROM CHESSBASE > > July 7,.2009 – US President Barack Obama is meeting with several > prominent members of the Russian opposition, including United Civil > Front leader (and former chess world champion) Garry Kasparov. How ironic! Kasparov is fighting Putin, while Obama tries his best to turn the ol' good US of A into a Putin's Russia. ---- Wlod On Aug 21, 3:02 am, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)" <sennaj...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 4, 9:06 am, "parrthe...@cs.com" <parrthe...@cs.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > ---- > Wlod I wonder what are Kasparov's thoughts (if any) about the bail-out, ..., government run health insurance, ... ---- Wlod |
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