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Chess Forum / General Topics / March 2008Please analyze this game.
In this game why was beginner Level Lost? Why it sacrificed its knight? was there any other move. What were the wrong moves that black should have avoided? Game Played between spook and beginner at GetClub.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- spook: (White) beginner: (Black) Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM18634&game=Chess -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- White -- Black (spook) -- (beginner) 1. d2-d4{8} Ng8-f6{0} 2. c2-c4{8} g7-g6{0} 3. Nb1-c3{6} Bf8-g7{0} 4. e2-e4{4} d7-d6{0} 5. f2-f3{10} Nb8-c6{8} 6. Bc1-e3{4} Bc8-d7{6} 7. Qd1-d2{12} Ke8-g8{6} 8. Ke1-c1{12} e7-e6{6} 9. g2-g4{10} b7-b6{6} 10. h2-h4{10} Ra8-c8{8} 11. h4-h5{6} e6-e5{6} 12. d4-d5{6} Nc6-b4{12} 13. Be3-h6{14} a7-a5{8} 14. Ng1-e2{20} Kg8-h8{12} 15. Bh6-g7{12} Kh8-g7{6} 16. h5-g6{12} f7-g6{10} 17. Qd2-h6{6} Kg7-f7{16} 18. g4-g5{26} Nf6-d5{0} 19. Qh6-h7{12} Kf7-e8{8} 20. Qh7-g6{6} Rf8-f7{10} 21. c4-d5{18} Ke8-e7{12} 22. Ne2-g3{36} Qd8-g8{6} 23. Qg6-h5{26} Rf7-g7{0} 24. Ng3-f5{44} Bd7-f5{8} 25. e4-f5{4} Rg7-g5{8} 26. Qh5-h7{8} Ke7-d8{10} 27. Qh7-g8{32} Rg5-g8{6} 28. a2-a3{4} Rc8-a8{8} 29. a3-b4{6} a5-b4{6} 30. Nc3-e4{6} Ra8-a1{8} 31. Kc1-d2{6} Ra1-a2{6} 32. Rd1-b1{8} Ra2-a5{14} 33. Bf1-c4{6} Kd8-c8{6} 34. f5-f6{6} Kc8-b8{8} 35. f6-f7{16} Rg8-c8{12} 36. Rh1-g1{12} Ra5-a4{6} 37. Rg1-g8{6} b4-b3{6} 38. Rg8-c8{14} Kb8-c8{8} 39. Qf7-f8{Q}{6} Kc8-b7{10} 40. Bc4-b3{12} Ra4-d4{12} 41. Kd2-e3{8} Rd4-b4{6} 42. Ne4-d2{28} Rb4-f4{16} 43. Qf8-e8{8} b6-b5{10} 44. Rb1-a1{12} Rf4-a4{6} 45. Qe8-b5{8} Kb7-c8{6} 46. Bb3-a4{16} e5-e4{6} -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- spook: (White) beginner: (Black) Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM18634&game=Chess You can see in some moves black played in 0 seconds it is because it thought its move in Opponents time. The Moves where Black played instantaniously other than Opening are. 18. g4-g5{26} Nf6-d5{0} 23. Qg6-h5{26} Rf7-g7{0} So you save time in game as Beginner thinks in your time. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html > In this game why was beginner Level Lost? Sanny, I have beaten up on your Beginner level countless times using this very same line. It is a well-known attacking variation used against the Sicilian Dragon setup, and even a weak player -- like this guy -- can effect the crushing attack without any particular finesse. My advice would be to remove this line from your program's opening repertoire and have it play something where the center is opened up; computers are very weak at anticipating long-range, unstoppable attacks which involve throwing the kitchen sink at the enemy King, as in this line. As can be seen, "spook" randomly tossed his Kingside pawns forward, with no regard for doing things in the correct order so as to win the race that was supposed to be taking place; Black is supposed to open lines to the White King in his own rabid attack on the enemy King, but of course the Beginner level has no clue. What you want is an open game, where humans may overlook a tactical fork or two, not a closed center with wing attacks. However, if your program were sufficiently strong at "tough defense", it could score a few wins by exploiting over-zealous-human mistakes even in these lines; but the truth is, the GetClub program is a very poor defender and seems much stronger on offense. -- help bot > My advice would be to remove this line > from your program's opening repertoire and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > attacks which involve throwing the kitchen > sink at the enemy King, as in this line. Which are the wrong moves in opening that I should remove and what are the correct moves? > As can be seen, "spook" randomly tossed > his Kingside pawns forward, with no regard [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > attack on the enemy King, but of course > the Beginner level has no clue. How could Beginner Stopped the attack what were the moves it should have played to stop the pawn attacks? As advancing pawns on King side would have created more problems. > What you want is an open game, where > humans may overlook a tactical fork or two, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > defender and seems much stronger on > offense. What should be done if the opponent created a closed Center. Is there any way to destroy this close Center? By exchange etc? Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html > > My advice would be to remove this line > > from your program's opening repertoire and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Which are the wrong moves in opening that I should remove and what are > the correct moves? I'm no openings encyclopedia, but your program obviously plays several different openings poorly-- including this one. > > As can be seen, "spook" randomly tossed > > his Kingside pawns forward, with no regard [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > How could Beginner Stopped the attack what were the moves it should > have played to stop the pawn attacks? The attack is based on White playing B-h6, taking on g7 and then following up with Q-h6+. All that is needed to stop the mating attack is a well-timed p-h5. However, that means White can attack in other ways-- which is why I would remove this entire line from its openings book. > > What you want is an open game, where > > humans may overlook a tactical fork or two, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > What should be done if the opponent created a closed Center. You need to "steer for" lines in which the center will *not* get closed. > Is there > any way to destroy this close Center? By exchange etc? Black can get crazy on the other wing, as world champion Gary Kasparov used to do. Moves like ...a6, ...c6 and ...b5 will at least give White something to think about besides how to quickly force checkmate on Black's King. But in general, this is precisely the kind of position where even a relatively weak player can beat a computer, by going for the King, willy nilly. -- help bot I think Easy & Normal Levels will automatically see these mistakes because of their long depth of Calculation. Have you tried playing such match against Easy / Normal Levels? Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html >I think Easy & Normal Levels will automatically see these mistakes >because of their long depth of Calculation. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html Dude you must me a sociopath. You were just told what the problem is and your saying you think your program will automatically see these mistakes. What don't you understand? Your program doesn't see these mistakes. Some people in here have given you invalueable advice on how to make a better program and you throw it under a bus. EZoto > Dude you must me a sociopath. You were just told what the problem is > and your saying you think your program will automatically see these > mistakes. What don't you understand? Your program doesn't see these > mistakes. Some people in here have given you invalueable advice on > how to make a better program and you throw it under a bus. It is very difficult to grasp what Help Bot is saying? Once I understand what he is saying then only I can improve. He is saying Do not allow the Opponent to create a Blocked Center. There are 1000s of ways to block the Center. How will I tell the Beginner Level what to do for stopping the Blockade. Every game there are 100s of possibilities. I am unable to grasp what should beginner level do to stop opponent from blocking the center? Incase Center is Blocked how myuch penalty should be given. And further what is the condition of Blocking the Center. Is it only the pawns or also the pieces like Knight & Bishops. Once I understand what and Why? I can add it to GetClub. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html > In this game why was beginner Level Lost? Why it sacrificed its > knight? was there any other move. [Event "Getclub USA"] [Site "?"] [Date "2008.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Spook"] [Black "Beginner"] [Result "1-0"] [PlyCount "86"] [EventDate "2008.03.29"] 1. d4 {A sound opening move. First played by El Greco.} Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f3 {The sandwich.} Nc6 6. Be3 $2 {A common error.} (6. Bg5 {0} h6 7. Be3 O-O 8. Qd2 Kh7 $14) 6... Bd7 7. Qd2 O-O 8. O-O-O e6 9. g4 b6 $2 10. h4 Rc8 $2 11. h5 e5 {At last black does something.} 12. d5 Nb4 13. Bh6 a5 14. Nge2 $2 Kh8 $4 (14... Nd3+ $1 {would have helped black out tremendously.}) 15. Bxg7+ Kxg7 16. hxg6 fxg6 17. Qh6+ Kf7 18. g5 Nfxd5 (18... Nh5 19. Rxh5 gxh5 20. Qxh7+ Ke8 $8 21. g6 $18) 19. Qxh7+ Ke8 20. Qxg6+ Rf7 $8 21. cxd5 (21. Rh7 $1) 21... Ke7 22. Ng3 Qg8 23. Qh5 Rg7 24. Nf5+ Bxf5 25. exf5 Rxg5 26. Qh7+ Kd8 27. Qxg8+ Rxg8 28. a3 Ra8 29. axb4 axb4 30. Ne4 Ra1+ 31. Kd2 Ra2 32. Rb1 Ra5 33. Bc4 Kc8 34. f6 Kb8 35. f7 Rc8 36. Rhg1 Ra4 37. Rg8 b3 38. Rxc8+ Kxc8 39. Bxb3 Rd4+ 40. Ke3 Rb4 41. Nd2 Rf4 42. Ra1 Ra4 43. Bxa4 e4 1-0 > 1. d4 {A sound opening move. First played by El Greco.} Nf6 2. c4 g6 > 3. Nc3 Bg7 You must be kidding. > 4. e4 d6 5. f3 {The sandwich.} From which point, there are many variations but they're all rather same-ish. Dave.  SignatureDavid Richerby Crystal Lotion (TM): it's like www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ a soothing hand lotion but it's completely transparent! > 1. d4 {A sound opening move. First played by El Greco.} Oh no, it goes back much further than that, back to Flintstone- Rubble, Bedrock 21,047 B.C. On Mar 29, 4:02 pm, ttk5...@gmail.com wrote: > > 1. d4 {A sound opening move. First played by El Greco.} > > Oh no, it goes back much further than that, back to Flintstone- > Rubble, Bedrock 21,047 B.C. No, I believe you are thinking of cave man chess, which is more like: 1. e3 e6 2. e4! e5! 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. Bb5 a6 5. Ba4 b6! 6. Ke2 b5 7. Bb3 Nf6 8. Re1 Bc5 9. Kf1 d6 10. Kg1 Ke7 11. c3 Re8 12. d3 Kf8 13. d4! d6 -- help bot -- help bot |
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