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Chess Forum / General Topics / April 2007Coward Sloan bans Mitchell
Sam Sloan wrote in a Fide newsgroup of which he is moderator that he is to ban Rob Mitchell from posting in it - this follows challenges to Sloans truth about the porn at his site. I think everyone should read my own response in that group. //Phil Innes -- He invited you to play chess! He gave you his physical address and phone number. Sam Sloan now pretends he never noticed either the original invitation or the recent post re-iterating it nor two of mine which averred who Rob Mitchell is, and as I presume competent witnesses, Boris Gulko, Susan Polgar, Alex Onischuk and Alex Stripunsky could also tell you. What a fantastic irony that Mitchell, I, and a few others, thought that the same behavior was reprehensible in Moderator Blair's Wiki 'action'. This, you see, is your problem, your massive egotism cannot stand the slightest challenge to its need to express, neither can you moderate it. I can certainly make you famous for this stunt, though I doubt in any way you'd like. You are a coward, Sloan. Phil Innes ----- Original Message ----- From: "samhsloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> To: <fide-chess@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 6:13 PM Subject: [fide-chess] I am hereby suspending Rob Mitchell from posting I am hereby suspending Rob Mitchell from posting to the FIDE-chess Yahoo Group. This group has only one rule which is that everybody who posts to the group must reveal their real name. The publicly posted rule states: "This group does not allow anonymous postings or postings under fake names." It is obvious from his postings today that Rob Mitchell has no intention of complying with this rule. I now believe that "Rob Mitchell" is a fake name. I believe that he selected this name because Rob Mitchell is one of the most common names with 36 USCF members having the name of either Rob or Robert Mitchell. One factor that tipped me off that this is a fake name it the fact that Rob Mitchell does not post to the USCF Forums although he posts to every other active chess group. The USCF Forums is the one group that requires that all members be USCF members. Therefore, the fact that Rob Mitchell does not go there indicates that he is not a USCF member. I know that he will say that I am suspending him because he has been attacking me lately. This is absolutely not true. Many other posters have attacked me every day and I have never suspended them. John Fernandez used to attack me several times a day and people were surprised when I never suspended him. In the five years since the FIDE-chess Yahoo group was established on January 14, 2002, I have only suspended two chess players. One was Steve of Alabama, now Steve of Tennessee, whom I suspended because he refused to reveal his last name. Later, when he told me that his name was Steve Owens, I let him back in even though he attacked me every day and continues to do so. The other person I suspended was known for obnoxious and objectionable postings. There were a tremendous number of complaints about him and at least one person had left the group because of him. (He was also the same person who woke up Mike Nolan at 3:00 AM recently.) In that case, I allowed him to rejoin on a promise of good behavior and he remains a member of the group to this day. So, the only two people I have ever suspended have since rejoined the group and are posting here now. "Rob Mitchell" too can be reinstated provided that he reveals his real name and provides verifiable information establishing his identity. Sam Sloan > Sam Sloan wrote in a Fide newsgroup of which he is moderator that he is to > ban Rob Mitchell from posting in it - this follows challenges to Sloans [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Phil Innes Not true at all. If I was going to suspend him for that reason I would suspend you too. Of course, I know that Phil Innes is a real person because I have met you, although few others have. True, Rob Mitchell has become increasingly nasty and abusive of late and he touched a raw nerve for criticizing a website I created for my daughter Jessica, but he denied all my requests to reveal his true identity, so I was left with no choice under the rules but to suspend him. The rule that posters must reveal their real names has a rational basis. It keeps out all the riff-raff of Fake Sam Sloans and the like who just attack people and convert the chess forums into a garbage dumpster. Most of the good posters have left rec.games.chess.politics because of all the anonymous or fake-name posters who reside there and who make no contribution but just attack everybody. Again, I will reinstate Rob Mitchell any time. All he has to do is reveal his real name or provide proof that his real name really is Rob Mitchell. Sam Sloan > > Sam Sloan wrote in a Fide newsgroup of which he is moderator that he is to > > ban Rob Mitchell from posting in it - this follows challenges to Sloans [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Sam Sloan Sam, If you possess the ability to use google, you can find me. I have never hidden. I have met Beatriz and Jerry and Bill and Susan and Paul and a whole bunch of other .people. If you truly created those sites for your daughter, then you really have a problem. Sam, I have defended you when you were wronged and pointed out when you are wrong.Trying to ban me from your site doesn't hurt me in the least. How is your appeal going? :-) Rob Mitchell, LUTCF >> True, Rob Mitchell has become increasingly nasty and abusive of late >> and he touched a raw nerve for criticizing a website I created for my >> daughter Jessica, but he denied all my requests to reveal his true >> identity, so I was left with no choice under the rules but to suspend >> him. Those links are disturbing, I would suggest you seek help. >> The rule that posters must reveal their real names has a rational >> basis. It keeps out all the riff-raff of Fake Sam Sloans and the like >> who just attack people and convert the chess forums into a garbage >> dumpster. Most of the good posters have left rec.games.chess.politics >> because of all the anonymous or fake-name posters who reside there and >> who make no contribution but just attack everybody. I left because I was sick of hearing you whine constantly. The fakes only started after you posted your unresearched nonsense. You want to get credibility??? Stop your spamming/crossposting to groups that have nothing to do with the topic you wish to discuss. I use a nice simple twit filter and you were the FIRST name I added. If everyone in the USCF read the crap you have posted here, you wouldn't get one vote. J.Lohner > >> True, Rob Mitchell has become increasingly nasty and abusive of late > >> and he touched a raw nerve for criticizing a website I created for my [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > J.Lohner Click to join FIDE_CHESS http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/FIDE_CHESS/join Thanks Jason. Sam took the only action open to him when his position was indefensible, he knocked the pieces on the floor! I thought we might begin a mirror group. It may not be as popular as Sam won't be there. Oh, I would ban him. He just wouldn't join anything where he might be moderated. Rob Mitchell > > >> True, Rob Mitchell has become increasingly nasty and abusive of late > > >> and he touched a raw nerve for criticizing a website I created for my [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I'm not a coward. I'm a dirty old man. Rob Mitchell doesn't exist. > > Sam Sloan wrote in a Fide newsgroup of which he is moderator that he is to > > ban Rob Mitchell from posting in it - this follows challenges to Sloans [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Sam Sloan How about my membership listing from USCF forums? 877 Send private message Robmtchl Nashville, Tennessee 02 Jan 2005 0 It doesn't copy and paste very well. But There I am. Since 2005 I am 877 on the list. > How about my membership listing from USCF forums? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It doesn't copy and paste very well. But There I am. Since 2005 I am > 877 on the list. Not true. I have just searched and can find no postings by "Robmtchl" to the USCF Forums. Also, back in 2005 USCF membership was not required for posting to the forums. You can prove me wrong by posting to the USCF Forums now. Note that the two defenders you had no longer seem to be defending you now that you have posted under two more fake names to the FIDE-chess Yahoo Group. Sam Sloan > > How about my membership listing from USCF forums? > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Sam Sloan Mr. Sloan, I posted a direct copy from the USCF's website. If you will search the forums member list you can find it. If you wish to continue this farce, go right ahead. It's will become a source of embarrissment if someone with your talent and ability cannot find my information. If you search through your emails from about a year and a half ago I am sure you will find my phone number and our correspondence I cannot make you see that which you do not want to find. .Mr. Sloan has received the proof. He still has not lifted the "ban". In this instance Mr. Sloan has proven his word to be as unreliable as his "facts". While he says the USCF has lost thousands of dollars on his watch he dodges any responsibility by saying he is just one man. Since he is unable to work with any member of the board to any productive means, he uses personal information about the executive director and personally attacks him thus violating Hippa and EEOC regulations. When he is warned not to do so and he ignores the advise and gets censured by the USCF for shooting off his mouth, he bans the messenger from a discussion group he moderates.( He says he doesn't know who that person is,even though he has that persons email, phone number and has communicated with that person privately in the past!) Mr. Sloan fails to respond to questions as to his statements" it's impossible to rape a woman" He is also silent as to why he has posted images of nude young girls engaging in prurient behavior. On these indefensible issues Mr. Sloan has remained silent. He has remained silent concerning a drug arrest as well as an arrest for having junior high school children present at an orgy he sponsored. There is a great deal of dissatisfaction with the USCF. So much so that someone positioning them self as a "reformer" got elected. Those who voted for him either didn't know about his past or were of a similar nature in dubious sexual enterprises. I will be honest. I do not expect Mr. Sloan to have the courage to allow me to post in a newsgroup he moderates. I am simply too honest. Do not think I am overtly hostile to Mr. Sloan. I have defended his work against attacks by Louis Blair when Mr. Sloans chess biographies were summarily deleted from WIkipedia. I even offered him another site to post them. If the USCF cannot find a way to self police and silence and remove quickly dangerous threats to their viability and legal liabilities as Mr. Sloan; they may not long survive. Parents may soon begin to find other venues for their children to engage in scholastic chess once they discover someone who advocates sexula relations with girls not yet of the age of majority is on the elected governing board of the USCF. In parting I would request someone please post this to the newsgroup I have been banned from addressing. Rob > > How about my membership listing from USCF forums? > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Sam Sloan ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- posted by chessone in yahoo fide chess group: Sam Sloan keeps up the blather that he has become confused over Rob Mitchell's identity, that Rob Mitchell never sent him his telephone #, and there are so many Rob Mitchell's around that he, Sam Sloan, is somehow confused. But what Rob Mitchell actually did is challenge Sam Sloan's actions - not his blather. He challenged the reporting of Bill Hall's medical status; Challenged it in law, and as ethical factor. He also challenged the porn on Sam Sloan's site. I would say that any politician who would ban someone for questioning what they actually do is someone living in fantasy-land. Chess politicos need to become quite literally, response-able - and packing people off to the Gulags is quite out of style! At least Rob Mitchell knows what standards are - since he impartially defended Sam Sloan just one month ago for the destructive action at Wikipedia, even though quite clearly Mitchell and Sloan have different views on much else. In terms of their relationship it is strange to think that Mitchell appears as the impartial administrator, and Sloan the fickle faddist. Phil Innes -------- to All Here Rob Mitchell has just now finally provided me with a USCF ID number which has says it his. The number is 12965920 It is to be recalled that I suspended him from my FIDE-chess Yahoo group because Rob Mitchell refused to provide his USCF ID number and said that he would not do so, thereby violating a rule of my group that anonymous or fake name posters are not allowed. By providing this number, Rob Mitchell is asking to be reinstated. This number indicates that he is not a USCF member and has never played in a USCF rated tournament. . He put me into his own group and made a member without my permission and then banned me from this group I never asked to join. ## note from Rob<This is a lie. I invited him to the group. I never placed him in it without his permission. I snipped Sloans whineing about how evil I am!> As a result of all of the above, I see no reason for allowing Rob Mitchell back into my group and I note that the only two people who supported his being reinstated have been quiet about that lately. Sam Sloan __._,_.___ > > Sam Sloan wrote in a Fide newsgroup of which he is moderator that he is to > > ban Rob Mitchell from posting in it - this follows challenges to Sloans [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Sam Sloan Mr. Sloan has received the proof. He still has not lifted the "ban". In this instance Mr. Sloan has proven his word to be as unreliable as his "facts". While he says the USCF has lost thousands of dollars on his watch he dodges any responsibility by saying he is just one man. Since he is unable to work with any member of the board to any productive means, he uses personal information about the executive director and personally attacks him thus violating Hippa and EEOC regulations. When he is warned not to do so and he ignores the advise and gets censured by the USCF for shooting off his mouth, he bans the messenger from a discussion group he moderates.( He says he doesn't know who that person is,even though he has that persons email, phone number and has communicated with that person privately in the past!) Mr. Sloan fails to respond to questions as to his statements" it's impossible to rape a woman" He is also silent as to why he has posted images of nude young girls engaging in prurient behavior. On these indefensible issues Mr. Sloan has remained silent. He has remained silent concerning a drug arrest as well as an arrest for having junior high school children present at an orgy he sponsored. There is a great deal of dissatisfaction with the USCF. So much so that someone positioning them self as a "reformer" got elected. Those who voted for him either didn't know about his past or were of a similar nature in dubious sexual enterprises. I will be honest. I do not expect Mr. Sloan to have the courage to allow me to post in a newsgroup he moderates. I am simply too honest. Do not think I am overtly hostile to Mr. Sloan. I have defended his work against attacks by Louis Blair when Mr. Sloans chess biographies were summarily deleted from WIkipedia. I even offered him another site to post them. If the USCF cannot find a way to self police and silence and remove quickly dangerous threats to their viability and legal liabilities as Mr. Sloan; they may not long survive. Parents may soon begin to find other venues for their children to engage in scholastic chess once they discover someone who advocates sexula relations with girls not yet of the age of majority is on the elected governing board of the USCF. In parting I would request someone please post this to the newsgroup I have been banned from addressing. Rob |
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