complete notation Feyerfeil - Lipke, Breslau 1889 searched

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Frank Große - 24 Aug 2006 17:50 GMT

Salut,

I'm looking for the complete notation from the game above. At a point
from this game the h2-pawn is absent because of an mistake by setting
up the adjourned game next day.

Regards, Frank

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John Sheatsley - 24 Aug 2006 18:49 GMT

> Salut,
>
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>
> Regards, Frank

Found this in NICBase Online:

[Event "Breslau"]
[Site ""]
[Date "1889.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Von Feyerfeil, Emil"]
[Black "Lipke, Paul"]
[Result "0-1"]
[NIC "FR 16.6.4"]
[ECO "C11"]
[PlyCount "104"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e5 Nfd7 5. Nce2 c5 6. c3 Nc6 7. f4 Qb6 8.
Nf3 f6 9.
a3 Be7 10. Ng3 O-O 11. Bd3 cxd4 12. cxd4 fxe5 13. fxe5 Rxf3 14. gxf3 Qxd4
15. f4
Nc5 16. Bc2 Bd7 17. Qe2 Na5 18. Rb1 Nab3 19. Be3 Qc4 20. Qxc4 dxc4 21. Rd1
Bc6 22.
Rf1 g6 23. Ke2 Na4 24. Rb1 Nbc5 25. Bd4 Rd8 26. Ke3 Nb6 27. Ne2 Nd5 28. Kd2
b5 29.
b4 cxb3 30. Bxb3 a5 31. Bxd5 Rxd5 32. Ke3 Na4 33. Rfc1 Bd7 34. Rb3 b4 35.
axb4 axb4
36. Rc7 Nc5 37. Rb1 Bf8 38. Ra7 Bb5 39. Nc1 Nd7 40. Ra8 Kg7 41. Rc8 Be7 42.
Na2 g5
43. fxg5 Bxg5 44. Ke4 Ba6 45. Rc7 Bd8 46. Ra7 Rxd4 47. Kxd4 Bb6 48. Ke4
Bxa7 49.
Rxb4 Bc5 50. Rb2 Ba3 51. Rg2 Kf8 52. Rf2 Ke7 0-1

Regards,
John

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Frank Große - 25 Aug 2006 11:40 GMT

Salut,

John Sheatsley schrieb:

> Found this in NICBase Online:

Thanks, but this isn't the complete game. In KARL 02/2006 I found the
continuation (without the pawn h2)

53. Rh2 Nf8 54. Kd4 Kf7 55. Nc3 Bc1 56. Ne4 Kg7 57. Ra2 Bb5 58. Rf2 Be8
59. Nf6 Bg6 60. Rg2 Kf7 61. Ra2 Bf5 62. Kc5 Bf4 63. Ra7+ Kg6 64. Kd6 h5
65. Rg7+ Kxg7 66. Nxh5+ Kh6 67. Nxf4 Kg5

The author of the arctile means

- maybe the pawn h2 was missing since move 41 or a few moves later
- Black was winning after move 121

I'm searching the answer for these questions.

Regards, Frank

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Anders Thulin - 25 Aug 2006 12:42 GMT

> I'm looking for the complete notation from the game above. At a point
> from this game the h2-pawn is absent because of an mistake by setting
> up the adjourned game next day.

I don't think there is any complete score. The congress book ends after move
87, and observes that White was mated in move 121. Black could have done
better than that, though, so there seems to be little reason to insist in
giving more than 30 moves more.

In move 53, wPh2 had disappeared -- probably at move 40 or shortly afterwards,
when the game was set up again, but noone seems to have exact details.

PGN, of course, can't handle this type of score.

Here is the continuation from move 53, taken from the congress book:

[Event "6. Kongress des Deutsche Schachbundes, Hauptturnier, Gruppe 2"]
[Site "Breslau"]
[Date "1889.07.26"]
[Round "1"]
[White "v. Feyerfeil"]
[Black "Lipke"]
[Result "0-1"]
[FEN "8/3nk2p/b3p3/4P3/4K3/b7/N4R2/8 w - - 0 53"]
[SetUp "1"]
[PlyCount "70"]

53. Rh2 Nf8 54. Kd4 Kf7 55. Nc3 Bc1 56. Ne4 Kg7 57. Ra2 Bb5
58. Rf2 Be8 59. Nf6 Bg6 60. Rg2 Kf7 61. Ra2 Bf5 62. Kc5 Bf4 63. Ra7+ Kg6 64.
Kd6 h5 65. Rg7+ Kxg7 66. Nxh5+ Kh6 67. Nxf4 Kg5 68. Ne2 Bg4 69. Nd4 Kf4 70. Nc6
Ke4 71. Nd8 Bf5 72. Ke7 Ng6+ 73. Kf6 Nf4 74. Nf7 Kd4 75. Kg5 Nd5 76. Kh5 Bc2
77. Kg5 Bh7 78. Kh5 Bf5 79. Kh6 Bd3 80. Kg7 Bc2 81. Kh6 Ba4 82. Kg5 Ke4 83. Kg4
Bd1+ 84. Kg5 Be2 85. Kg6 Kf4 86. Kh6 Kf5 87. Nd8 Kxe5 { White is eventually mated in move 121 } 0-1

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Anders Thulin - 25 Aug 2006 12:54 GMT

> Here is the continuation from move 53, taken from the congress book:

I forgot: it's not according to the congress book, which has 56. ... Kf7-g7
and 60. ... Ke7-f7. I just corrected the last move when I reached it, but it may
be that 56. ... Ke7 instead. I have no other contemporary source for this game to
check against.

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Anders Thulin - 25 Aug 2006 12:58 GMT

>> I'm looking for the complete notation from the game above. At a point
>> from this game the h2-pawn is absent because of an mistake by setting
>> up the adjourned game next day.

... and it wasn't the next day, it was in the afternoon the same day.

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David Richerby - 25 Aug 2006 13:33 GMT

> In move 53, wPh2 had disappeared -- probably at move 40 or shortly
> afterwards, when the game was set up again, but noone seems to have
> exact details.
>
> PGN, of course, can't handle this type of score.

No. The best one could do would be to have two games, one with the
moves up to the disappearance of the pawn and another with a FEN tag
to give the position afterwards. (Or one could include a sequence of
nonsense moves in which Black captures the pawn and restores the
position but that would be a bit silly.)

Dave.

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