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Chess Forum / General Topics / August 2004Hydra vs Schredder
A surprisingly lopsided match that Hydra won 5.5 - 2.5. Some of the games are a bit mysterious, but interesting: http://www.chessbase.de/2004/Abudhabi/komplett.htm > A surprisingly lopsided match that Hydra won 5.5 - 2.5. Some of the games > are a bit mysterious, but interesting: > > http://www.chessbase.de/2004/Abudhabi/komplett.htm Surprising to who? I thought it was well known that Hyrda's programmable logic would easily account for any PC based program. Especially when it can do such much with so many bitmaps in just 1 clock cycle. What would it take to run Shredder (or Fritz or ...) on Hydra's hardware? > > A surprisingly lopsided match that Hydra won 5.5 - 2.5. Some of the games > > are a bit mysterious, but interesting: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > logic would easily account for any PC based program. Especially when it can > do such much with so many bitmaps in just 1 clock cycle. > What would it take to run Shredder (or Fritz or ...) on Hydra's hardware? Impossible, as Hydra IS hardware! Its programmed logic - but still logic when you come down to it. A PC is made to computer whatever its programmed to. Hydra is hard wired to compute chess bitmaps. Even at 800Mhz being able to do tonnes of 64bit bitmap manipulations in a single cycle will kill any 3Ghz 64bit processor based system. As long as Hydra keeps up with developments in logic design and depth analysis it will NEVER be beaten by an equivalent technology based PC. I am quite surprised that Shredder was able to draw so many games. I think it got lucky in a few of them. > to. Hydra is hard wired to compute chess bitmaps. Even at 800Mhz being able > to do tonnes of 64bit bitmap manipulations in a single cycle will kill any > 3Ghz 64bit processor based system. As long as Hydra keeps up with > developments in logic design and depth analysis it will NEVER be beaten by > an equivalent technology based PC. By the same token, Hydra would be better than the strongest humans, since the strongest humans are now about equal to chess programs running on PC technology. As I posted just recently, there is a team tournament planned for Bilbao in October where a team of humans (Ponomariov, Topalov, Karjakin) will play a team of computers (Hydra, Junior, Fritz). Considering that Kasparov and Kramnik could only draw against Junior and Fritz, I wonder whether Hydra would steamroller the humans. Well, let's see what will happen in October, I am already curious. FWIW, Hydra trounced a 2600+ GM http://www.chessbase.com/games/2004/vladimirov.htm The official site says that Hydra won 3 - 0, but chessbase said that there was a fourth game played which ended in a draw. Referring to the discussion below, I am not sure about the probative value of this man vs machine match with regard to Hydra being stronger than Schredder. I remember that Schredder also trounced 2600+ GMs. > > to. Hydra is hard wired to compute chess bitmaps. Even at 800Mhz being > able [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Well, let's see what will happen in October, I am already curious. > FWIW, Hydra trounced a 2600+ GM > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > of this man vs machine match with regard to Hydra being stronger than > Schredder. I remember that Schredder also trounced 2600+ GMs. 8 games was played. Hydra won game 1, 2 and 7 - the rest was draws. And a showoff game was played between the cluster (Hydra) and a GM. Entertainment. >> FWIW, Hydra trounced a 2600+ GM >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > And a showoff game was played between the cluster (Hydra) and a GM. > Entertainment. A showoff match, that is. You referred to the machine vs machine match (Hydra vs Schredder), I was referring to man vs machine match (Hydra vs GM Vladimirov), also in Abu Dhabi. > > FWIW, Hydra trounced a 2600+ GM > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > And a showoff game was played between the cluster (Hydra) and a GM. > Entertainment. Until there is a 24 game match with a 2 1/2 hours for 40 move time control between a computer and a human, these matches are meaningless. A six game match proves nothing. A four game match proves nothing. Twenty four game match is a real match with the winner having to score 12 1/2 points. |
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