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Chess Forum / General Topics / July 2007Goichberg, Channing, Schultz and Hough deceiving members
There is a big issue here. Last year, the office delayed the payment of prizes for the National Open until after May 31 although the tournament was played much earlier. Since the fiscal year ends on May 31, that made the USCF bottom line look better for the 2005-2006 fiscal year. (The USCF still lost $130,000 even after this enhancement.) We have been expecting a similar phony deal to happen this year and it seems that it has. The Office has already put the money Frank Berry donated into revenue. Now, by delaying payment of the top prizes to the US Championship until after May 31 and by not paying the prizes for the US woman's Championship at all, that may give them enough extra money to make the USCF look "profitable" this year. Sam Sloan > There is a big issue here. > > Last year, the office delayed the payment of prizes for the National > Open until after May 31 although the tournament was played much > earlier. The 2006 National Open was held 16-18 June. My calendar says this is AFTER May 31. Sam's calendar may vary.  SignatureKenneth Sloan KennethRSloan@gmail.com Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213 University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473 Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/ > > There is a big issue here. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Sam's calendar may vary. > [quote="EnriqueHuerta"]I believe you're mistaken about the [b]National Open[/b]. The tournament was in [b]June[/b] and has been for quite a few years. Secondly, I believe it is the organizer that pays the prizes (Sunday night in the "Winners' Circle") not the USCF. - Enrique[/quote] Sorry. My mistake. I had it backwards. The issue was that the USCF booked in the advance entry fees to the National Open as current revenues, without an offset representing the prizes that would have to subsequently be paid. The National Open was played in June, so much of the revenue for the event went to the fiscal year ending May 31, 2006 and the expenses go against the 2007 fiscal year. Sam Sloan This link provides evidence of Sam's lying: http://www.checkmate.us/Altered.htm Sloan lies about altering emails and lies about unjustly removing me from a newsgroup because I questioned his character. He is also legally "Ismail Mohamed Sloan" and does not belong to the USCF. He has played in tournaments under an assumed name. If he denys this, I demand he provide proof for IM SLoans membership by name to the USCF and to FIDE. >This link provides evidence of Sam's lying: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >demand he provide proof for IM SLoans membership by name to the USCF >and to FIDE. If you had been following the USCF Members' Forum, you'd know that the only requirement for membership is a check that doesn't bounce. One can become a member under any name one wants. As long as one plays consistently under that name and USCF-ID, doesn't seem to matter. > >This link provides evidence of Sam's lying: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > can become a member under any name one wants. As long as one plays > consistently under that name and USCF-ID, doesn't seem to matter. That is a very ill advised protocol. There is no way to determine is someone playing in a tournament really is the member. This is just another example of a lax policy being exploited. >> >This link provides evidence of Sam's lying: >> >http://www.checkmate.us/Altered.htm >> >Sloan lies about altering emails and lies about unjustly removing me >> >from a newsgroup because I questioned his character. He is also >> >legally "Ismail Mohamed Sloan" and does not belong to the USCF. He has >> >played in tournaments under an assumed name. If he denys this, I >> >demand he provide proof for IM SLoans membership by name to the USCF >> >and to FIDE. >> If you had been following the USCF Members' Forum, you'd know that the >> only requirement for membership is a check that doesn't bounce. One >> can become a member under any name one wants. As long as one plays >> consistently under that name and USCF-ID, doesn't seem to matter. >That is a very ill advised protocol. There is no way to determine is >someone playing in a tournament really is the member. This is just >another example of a lax policy being exploited. You flash a membership card, of course (or a mailing label from Chess Life). How do you check for ID when a youthful looking person buys booze? How do you check that your local scoutmaster isn't a perv, that your physician really has an MD, that the guy you hire hasn't falsified a resume? Somebody lying about high-stakes issues usually has some sort of fake identity. Ultimate check: somebody recognizes him or her, or the behavior is inconsistent. Identification is a real problem, especially where class prizes are concerned. But your posts about Sloan's name don't reference a real problem. They're just harassment. > >> >This link provides evidence of Sam's lying: > >> >http://www.checkmate.us/Altered.htm [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > - Show quoted text - In theory, someone could have multiple USCF memberships giving them multiple votes. Someone could also have someone else play for them since there is NO standard to verify the participants identities. It's just lax management Mike. In theory, I could forge anyones ID number and play at a tournament. >In theory, someone could have multiple USCF memberships giving them >multiple votes. Quite likely not just in theory. All you need is a PO Box. Or use your neighbor's address. Or, qualify your single-family residence address with "Apartment 1", "Apartment 2", etc. Actually, I doubt anyone checks for duplicate addresses at all (after all, two roomies could each have a membership). Of course, all this means shelling out some serious bucks, which supposedly benefits the Federation. How much would you really have to spend on phony memberships to have a serious impact? >Someone could also have someone else play for them >since there is NO standard to verify the participants identities. People do it for the GRE, the SAT, etc. Why not for a tournament? >It's just lax management Mike. In theory, I could forge anyones ID >number and play at a tournament. And it wouldn't make any difference until you won a prize. Or the person who owned the ID noticed the results and complained, by which time you'd be long gone, but the Federation could at least correct some of the resulting rating errors. But the point to tighten the clamps is with the prizewinners, not when you join. You want to make it easy to join. You want your "lax management" at that point. The average Joe is NOT going to provide all kinds of personal ID (with perceived risk of identity theft) to join the USCF. A relatively low percentage of members play tournaments regularly. A very low percentage of them win serious class prize money. So, you make damn sure that a class prize winner demonstrates proper identity, maybe even provide some personal references, a local trustworthy source who can vouch for their identity. At that point, with serious money at stake, they *will* jump through the hoops, even though they'll carp and moan about it. "Mike Murray" <make damn sure that a class prize winner demonstrates proper identity, maybe even provide some personal references, a local trustworthy source who can vouch for their identity. >> Haven't any of you inbred morons ever heard of a state driver's license and/or a passport? Most check cashing places require two photo identifications, why should the USCF demand less from a prize winner?? > "Mike Murray" <make damn sure that a class prize winner demonstrates proper > identity, maybe even provide some personal references, a local trustworthy [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and/or a passport? Most check cashing places require two photo > identifications, why should the USCF demand less from a prize winner?? Speaking on behalf of inbred morons everywhere (but especially in the deep South), yes, we have. BTW, the USCF, as an organization, does not do this; instead, tournament organizers like say, Bill Goichberg do. Thus, if a particular organizer has little or no regard for his reputation, he will be very unlikely to make an effort to ensure that prizes are paid out to legitimate class winners. But if there have been numerous complaints of such abuses in the past, an organizer will be far more likely to put out the effort. Another point is that check-cashing companies make a tidy profit off of people like you, with your two pieces of ID and (apparently) no bank account. This is why we moron inbreds cannot help bot chuckle whenever we see comments like yours. LOL -- help bot "help bot" <> Another point is that check-cashing companies make a tidy profit off of people like you, with your two pieces of ID and (apparently) no bank account. > This is why we moron inbreds cannot help bot chuckle whenever we see comments like yours. Your remarks are a perfect example of why the USCF is down the toilet and will never be anything but a scam for a few people to rob well-meaning schools. >"Mike Murray" <make damn sure that a class prize winner demonstrates proper >identity, maybe even provide some personal references, a local trustworthy >source who can vouch for their identity. >> >Haven't any of you inbred morons ever heard of a state driver's license >and/or a passport? Most check cashing places require two photo >identifications, why should the USCF demand less from a prize winner?? Lotta people lack passports. Ya gonna demand one to play in a domestic tournament? Get real. Kids get fake driver licenses to buy beer. Think somebody scamming an identity to win a ten grand class prize wouldn't have that one covered? The only thing dumber than overlooking simple solutions is thinking the solution is simple. "Mike Murray" <> Kids get fake driver licenses to buy beer. Think somebody scamming an identity to win a ten grand class prize wouldn't have that one > covered? What century are you living in? Fake driver's licenses that look real in a dark lounge or to a Paki 7-11 worker are not going to pass muster unless the tournament director is a moron. Most states have Holographic images and watermarks on their Driver's Licenses. As far as the second ID is concerned, there are many acceptable forms if identification to back up the Driver's License. If you don't drive, every state has a regular Photo ID card that you can get at any police station. If you don't have either then you should not get any checks, how are you going to cash it? >"Mike Murray" <> Kids get fake driver licenses to buy beer. Think somebody >scamming an identity to win a ten grand class prize wouldn't have that one >> covered? >What century are you living in? Fake driver's licenses that look real in a >dark lounge or to a Paki 7-11 worker are not going to pass muster unless the >tournament director is a moron. Most states have Holographic images and >watermarks on their Driver's Licenses. So, what's a quality fake cost these days? >As far as the second ID is concerned, there are many acceptable forms if >identification to back up the Driver's License. If you don't drive, every >state has a regular Photo ID card that you can get at any police station. If >you don't have either then you should not get any checks, how are you going >to cash it? Take it to a bank where you're known, obviously. Still, what you recommend is a good start. Two forms of picture ID. Maybe have the Federation publish digital photos of major prize winners for followup. My initial point to Rob was you don't put the ID screws to somebody wanting to join the Federation -- do it to winners of big prizes, before giving them the check. > What century are you living in? Fake driver's licenses that look real in a > dark lounge or to a Paki 7-11 worker are not going to pass muster unless the > tournament director is a moron. Most states have Holographic images and > watermarks on their Driver's Licenses. Interesting. I just checked my driver's license and the only thing like that is a thin plastic, protective cover with barely-perceivable logos matching those on our state flag. Were this missing, I doubt anyone but a police officer or clerk would notice. > As far as the second ID is concerned, there are many acceptable forms if > identification to back up the Driver's License. If you don't drive, every > state has a regular Photo ID card that you can get at any police station. If > you don't have either then you should not get any checks, how are you going > to cash it? As I said before, these imbeciles who pay good money to have their checks cashed simply amaze me. The obvious answer is that one either gets a 21st century "direct deposit", or one can go to a bank and use what is known as an "account". By having some money in one's account the bank will take your check and give you cash, and the net result is a slight delay in receipt of funds for them -- all free of charge. In the old days (no doubt when you are from) it was risky to keep one's money in the bank, because of robbers who "hit" banks and took all the money. When asked why he robbed them, a bank robber might reply: "Because that's where the money is". -- help bot > As I said before, these imbeciles who pay good > money to have their checks cashed simply amaze > me. The obvious answer is that one either gets a > 21st century "direct deposit", or one can go to a > bank and use what is known as an "account". For some people, opening an account has a higher cost than what they pay to a check-cashing service. > By > having some money in one's account the bank will > take your check and give you cash, and the net > result is a slight delay in receipt of funds for them -- > all free of charge. Free? Let me guess, you never studied Economics, did you? SignatureKenneth Sloan KennethRSloan@gmail.com Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213 University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473 Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/ "Kenneth Sloan" <> For some people, opening an account has a higher cost than what they pay to a check-cashing service. You also need two forms of identification to open a bank account. No matter how you want to slice it, anyone who can collect a prize needs to have two forms of valid identification. Fart-bot does not need a bank account in order to buy things with Food Stamps. > You also need two forms of identification to open a bank account. No matter > how you want to slice it, anyone who can collect a prize needs to have two > forms of valid identification. > > Fart-bot does not need a bank account in order to buy things with Food > Stamps. These days, one can no longer buy cigarettes and candy and lotto tickets by exchanging food stamps for cash; Big Brother finally figured it out, and it only took him a few decades or so. In my experience, the need for any form of identification whatsoever was limited to producing one's USCF membership card, and even that only happened rarely. Generally, a player is already familiar with the local tournament directors, and they with him, so all this hullabaloo pertains to the relatively few big money events like the World Open, and how many of us will ever win big money in chess? I have received advertisements from such events in the mail, but they are always held far away and the prize monies are "redistributed" toward the very top players; on top of this, the rounds are scheduled such that it is neigh well impossible to get enough sleep and thus be able to play one's best. -- help bot "help bot" <how many of us will ever win big money in chess?> Sam's weekly tournament is always good. Everyone pays ten dollars and the winner f.cks his young wife. No ID required. > "help bot" <how many of us will ever win big money in chess?> > > Sam's weekly tournament is always good. Everyone pays ten dollars and the > winner f.cks his young wife. No ID required. Hey, Skippy: instead of continually obsessing about sex (I understand how it is with you inmates at Winterpeg), why not skip on over to ebay and buy yourself a nice chess clock? I hear they are selling a beaten-up, used mechanical clunker for only $12K American. At the rate the U.S. dollar is falling against all other world currencies, you can probably buy this with just two weeks pay at your burger-flipper job at McDonald's. (I keep trying to tell them that these inmates need more saltpeter in their diet...). -- coach "help bot" <you can probably buy this with just two weeks pay at your burger-flipper job at McDonald's. (I keep trying to tell them that these inmates need more saltpeter in their diet...). Inmates don't work at McDonalds, at least not around here. Maybe in your town. You seem to know about that. Mix two fantasies together for you. Unlimited food and unlimited sex. > "help bot" <you can probably buy this with just two weeks pay at your > burger-flipper job at McDonald's. (I keep trying to tell them that these [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > town. You seem to know about that. Mix two fantasies together for you. > Unlimited food and unlimited sex. There it is again -- the word "sex"! You can't seem to break away from this obsession, even when writing in a chess newsgroup, can you, Skip. I write about "diet", you write about "unlimited food and sex", tossing in the word "fantasy" for good measure! It's astounding what one can learn by simply observing. -- doc bot "help bot" <It's astounding what one can learn by simply observing. Observing that you would like to live in a world where inmates worked at prisons run by McDonalds. It would give you vocational training. > > As I said before, these imbeciles who pay good > > money to have their checks cashed simply amaze [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > For some people, opening an account has a higher cost than what they pay > to a check-cashing service. I just read an article in The Economist which stated that these check-cashing joints are immune from the normal usury laws. In other words, this is much like borrowing money from the mob, except that their collectors do not actually break legs or drop you in the pond to sleep with the fishes. > > By > > having some money in one's account the bank will [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Free? That's right, free. In fact, I frequently receive offers in the mail where a random bank will give you as much as $100 in exchange for opening an account, provided you have your paychecks directly deposited with them. But too many accounts are bad for one's credit rating, and besides, with 63 maxed out at the FDIC's current limit, I am sick and tired of opening these accounts for a lousy 100 smackers. > Let me guess, you never studied Economics, did you? Your tendency toward ad hominem duly noted. -- help bot > Lotta people lack passports. Ya gonna demand one to play in a > domestic tournament? Get real. > > Kids get fake driver licenses to buy beer. Think somebody scamming > an identity to win a ten grand class prize wouldn't have that one > covered? One of the local players freely admitted that after entering one of the big-money tourneys where he competed several classes down under an assumed identity, he was identified by another participant while attempting to pick up his prize money. The story goes that when asked to provide a picture ID, he informed the TD that he had left his wallet in the car and would be right back. He left empty-handed and one can only hope that his games were not rated. So you see, when it comes to beer, having a fake ID is a no-brainer; but when it comes to playing chess, it's hit or miss. See where our priorities lie? -- help bot > This link provides evidence of Sam's lying: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > demand he provide proof for IM SLoans membership by name to the USCF > and to FIDE. Sam Sloan is not an international master; you must have him confused with Mr. Innes, who claims both the nearly-an-IM title and a rating of 2450. Here's an idea: try to get SS tossed out of the group of idiots who control the forum, and then petition for reinstatement. You may find it ironic that, just as you continually whine about this, SS himself has been treated in a similar vein with regard to his contributions to Wikipedia. Not long ago, he continually whined that his articles were butchered or deleted by censors. That is why this forum is so much superior to others; here, any fool can come and whine, attack USCF or FIDE officials, or just in general vent one's spleen. You, my friend, are the living proof. -- help bot > > This link provides evidence of Sam's lying: > > >http://www.checkmate.us/Altered.htm > > Sloan lies about altering emails and lies about unjustly removing me > > from a newsgroup because I questioned his character. He is also > > legally "Ismail Mohamed Sloan" and does not belong to the USCF. He has > > played in tournaments under an assumed name. If he denys this, I > > demand he provide proof for IM SLoans membership by name to the USCF > > and to FIDE. Poor Bot! His real name is Ismail Mohamed Sloan( IM Sloan) He chose this moniker on purpose so he could publis chess items and appear on first blush to have earned a title. As far as requiring a person joining an organization to provide proof of identity.... You simply require them to provide their date of birth and "legal name". It isn't rocket science. But having no rules because you don't think someone wanting to join would give you that information I think is rather telling It means that someone thinks that the value of a membership isn't worth the money or even using their real name and identity to join. Giles is right, they should be able to show a drivers license or other ID when playing in a tournament. And if the USCF is going to sanction that tournament, they should have some rules to govern this and not leave it to haphazard for tournament directors to set their own,possibly conflicting, standards. > Sam Sloan is not an international master; you must > have him confused with Mr. Innes, who claims both the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > -- help bot > > There is a big issue here. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > My calendar says this is AFTER May 31. Not everyone is this sharp. Personally, I think it is a good thing that prizes are not paid until a tournament is actually completed; but now JL will have to find something else to complain about. -- help bot |
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